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Bug#411446: installation-reports

Todd Partridge
Package: installation-reports

Boot method: CD
Image version: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-testing-powerpc-netinst.iso
Date: 02/19/07 01:00

Machine: iBook SE (NewWorld) 300mHz no firewire
Processor: PowerPC
Memory: 192MB
Partitions:
Filesystem Type 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda9 ext3 3090484 2388632 544860 82% /
tmpfs tmpfs 95444 0 95444 0% /lib/init/rw
udev tmpfs 10240 108 10132 2% /dev
tmpfs tmpfs 95444 0 95444 0% /dev/shm

Output of lspci -nn and lspci -vnn:

$ lspci -nn
0000:00:0b.0 Host bridge [0600]: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth AGP [106b:0020]
0000:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility L AGP 2x [1002:4c4e] (rev 64)
0001:10: 0b.0 Host bridge [0600]: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth PCI [106b:001f]
0001:10:17.0 Unknown class [ff00]: Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo Mac I/O [106b:0022] (rev 02)
0001:10:18.0 USB Controller [0c03]: Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo USB [106b:0019]
0001:10:19.0 USB Controller [0c03]: Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo USB [106b:0019]
0002:20:0b.0 Host bridge [0600]: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth Internal PCI [106b:001e]
0002:20:0f.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth GMAC (Sun GEM) [106b:0021]

$ lspci -vnn
0000:00:0b.0 Host bridge [0600]: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth AGP [106b:0020]
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 16
Capabilities: <access denied>

0000:00: 10.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility L AGP 2x [1002:4c4e] (rev 64) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
Flags: bus master, stepping, medium devsel, latency 255, IRQ 48
Memory at 91000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
I/O ports at f0000400 [size=256]
Memory at 90000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Expansion ROM at 90020000 [disabled] [size=128K]
Capabilities: <access denied>

0001:10:0b.0 Host bridge [0600]: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth PCI [106b:001f]
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 16

0001:10:17.0 Unknown class [ff00]: Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo Mac I/O [106b:0022] (rev 02)
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 16
Memory at 80000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512K]

0001:10:18.0 USB Controller [0c03]: Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo USB [106b:0019] (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 16, IRQ 27
Memory at 80080000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]

0001:10:19.0 USB Controller [0c03]: Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo USB [106b:0019] (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 28

0002:20:0b.0 Host bridge [0600]: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth Internal PCI [106b:001e]
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 16

0002:20:0f.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth GMAC (Sun GEM) [106b:0021]
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, slow devsel, latency 16, IRQ 41
Memory at f5200000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=2M]
Expansion ROM at f5000000 [disabled] [size=1M]

Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot: [O]
Detect network card: [O]
Configure network: [O]
Detect CD: [O]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives: [O]
Partition hard drives: [O]
Install base system: [O]
Clock/timezone setup: [E] #iBook doesn't use UTC, skewed that value
User/password setup: [O]
Install tasks: [O]
Install boot loader: [O]
Overall install: [O]

Comments/Problems:

Debian Etch iBook INSTALL NOTES


Used both the x86 and PPC Install Guide. The PPC Guide isn't entirely updated for PPC.

PPC Guide was very burdening, having to include loads of older hardware.

Just used the x86 quick install guide.

English Keyboard, locale...

Partitioning
selected Manual
I already have another linux on a partition.
bootstrap, /, and swap, hfs+ showed up correctly
went to my / partition and erased data
fast erase would have been ok
Enter [Finish Partitioning...]

Configure the Package Manager (not in guide)

Selected to do popularity contest

Choose Desktop Enviroment

Installed yaboot and all. Very nice and clean.

Reboot
no problems
no splash screen

Setup

Opening up gdmsetup (aka Login Window) gave me:
Granted permissions without asking for password.
The 'gdmsetup'program' was started with the privileges of the root user without the need to ask for a password, due to your system's authentication mechanism setup.

sudo warns that
randk is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
su -c visudo #added
%randk ALL=(ALL) ALL

Network Applet crossed out and says "No Network Connection" but ping works

sudo aptitude install installation-report reportbug
reportbug --configure
is MTA available?
NO #I use an external mail server
hit enter when it asked for SMTP as I use gmail
reportbug installation-reports
version of package - don't know (not documented)
entered installation-reports
takes awhile to download bugs looking info
installation-reports showed 2299 items
I'll use email.

iwconfig
command not found
/sbin and /usr/sbin aren't in "echo $PATH"
export PATH=$PATH:/sbin
export PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin
added to .bash_profile

Thats as far as I've gotten. I'll tell you guys I love this very nice work!!!!!!!!
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Bug#411446: installation-reports

Frans Pop-3
reassign 411446 clock-setup 0.13
retitle 411446 [powerpc] Should not select UTC for iBooks
thanks

On Monday 19 February 2007 08:12, Todd Partridge wrote:
> Comments/Problems:
> Used both the x86 and PPC Install Guide.  The PPC Guide isn't entirely
> updated for PPC.

Yes, we're aware of that. However, it is up to the Debian PowerPC
community to update that and unfortunately so far nobody has stepped up
to work on that.

> Just used the x86 quick install guide.

That should be almost identical in both versions of the installation
guide :-)

> Clock/timezone setup:   [E]     #iBook doesn't use UTC, skewed that
Reassigning this report for clock-setup for this issue.

You can correct the setting to local time by editing the file
/etc/default/rcS and changing the value of UTC to "no".

Do you have another operating system installed on that system?
If you do, was that operating system detected by the installer?
If you do not, why not correct the system clock to UTC. For a system only
running linux that is the preferred setting.

> Configure the Package Manager (not in guide)

Thanks for spotting that. I've added a few paragraphs to explain the
missing steps.

> Opening up gdmsetup (aka Login Window) gave me:
> Granted permissions without asking for password.
> The 'gdmsetup'program' was started with the privileges of the root
> user without the need to ask for a password, due to your system's
> authentication mechanism setup.
>
> sudo warns that
> randk is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
> su -c visudo #added
> %randk ALL=(ALL) ALL

I'm not quite convinced that this is a bug.  If you think it is, could you
please file a separate bug report about that against the 'gdm' package.
This is outside the scope of the installer itself.

> Network Applet crossed out and says "No Network Connection" but ping
> works

Same here.

> takes awhile to download bugs looking info
> installation-reports showed 2299 items

Yes, we need to clean up old installation reports. That is planned.

> iwconfig
> command not found
> /sbin and /usr/sbin aren't in "echo $PATH"

This is all normal. These commands are not intended to be run by a regular
user, but only by the administrator (root).
If you need help with issues like this, I suggest you ask on the
debian-user mailing list or the IRC channel #debian on OFTC.

Cheers,
FJP


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> reassign 411446 clock-setup 0.13
Bug#411446: installation-reports
Bug reassigned from package `installation-reports' to `clock-setup'.

> retitle 411446 [powerpc] Should not select UTC for iBooks
Bug#411446: installation-reports
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Bug#411446: installation-reports

Todd Partridge
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First, I'l like to say, I like Debian alot.   The work the developers do is appreciated, and expecially appreciate the response.  If you need help testing wise let me know as I have a spare iBook that perfect for doing it.
You can correct the setting to local time by editing the file
/etc/default/rcS and changing the value of UTC to "no".
Ah, thanks for the tip.
Do you have another operating system installed on that system?
If you do, was that operating system detected by the installer?
If you do not, why not correct the system clock to UTC. For a system only
running linux that is the preferred setting.
I do.  I have MacOS9 on another partition - had to manually add it in yaboot.conf and ybin -v it.
 
> Configure the Package Manager (not in guide)

Thanks for spotting that. I've added a few paragraphs to explain the
missing steps.

> Opening up gdmsetup (aka Login Window) gave me:
> Granted permissions without asking for password.
> The 'gdmsetup'program' was started with the privileges of the root
> user without the need to ask for a password, due to your system's
> authentication mechanism setup.
>
> sudo warns that
> randk is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
> su -c visudo  #added
> %randk        ALL=(ALL) ALL

I'm not quite convinced that this is a bug.  If you think it is, could you
please file a separate bug report about that against the 'gdm' package.
This is outside the scope of the installer itself.
Noted, I will do another bug-report.  If only an inconvience it could be distracting to new users.
> Network Applet crossed out and says "No Network Connection" but ping
> works
Same here.
FIX:

udo nano /etc/network/interfaces
Comment out everything except "The loopback network" entries
sudo nano /etc/default/wpasupplicant
add
ENABLED=0
save
sudo touch /etc/default/wpasupplicant
sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart
 


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Bug#411446: Clock not set correctly; MacOS9 not detected?

Frans Pop-3
On Monday 26 February 2007 04:20, Todd Partridge wrote:
> > Do you have another operating system installed on that system?
> > If you do, was that operating system detected by the installer?
> > If you do not, why not correct the system clock to UTC. For a system
> > only running linux that is the preferred setting.
>
> I do.  I have MacOS9 on another partition - had to manually add it in
> yaboot.conf and ybin -v it.

OK. Then we need to know if the installer detects your MacOS9.

Could you try the following:
- boot the installer and proceed to the first screen of the partitioner
- switch to vt2 (using alt-F2)
- run the command os-prober
  - Does that produce any output? If it does, what exactly? Does it list
    the MacOS?
  If it does detect it, you can skip the next steps.
  - Are there any lines like these in /var/log/syslog?
    * "Partition is HFS"
    * "Partition is HFS+ (Mac OS 9 only, we hope)"
  - If you mount your Mac partition, does it contain a file named:
    "System Folder/System"?
- if you are familiar with debugging shell scripts, you can try adding
  a line 'set -x' in the scripts in /usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/ and
  seeing what exactly happens if you run os-prober;
  AFAICT the 10macos6-9 script is the one that should detect MacOS9

After you are finished, exit to the main menu and select to "abort the
installation". As long as you don't do any actual partitioning, your
current installation will remain untouched.

Note that Debian people tell me that OSx systems _are supposed_ to run
with internal clock on UTC. Can you point to any documentation that says
different?


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Bug#411446: Clock not set correctly; MacOS9 not detected?

Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 05:53:16PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
> Note that Debian people tell me that OSx systems _are supposed_ to run
> with internal clock on UTC.

This seems correct, yes; My PowerBook happily runs both Debian and OS X
at this time, with clock set correctly, and with 'tail -n 1
/etc/adjtime' returning 'UTC'.

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Bug#411446: installation-reports

Sven Luther
In reply to this post by Frans Pop-3
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 03:26:33PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:

> reassign 411446 clock-setup 0.13
> retitle 411446 [powerpc] Should not select UTC for iBooks
> thanks
>
> On Monday 19 February 2007 08:12, Todd Partridge wrote:
> > Comments/Problems:
> > Used both the x86 and PPC Install Guide.  The PPC Guide isn't entirely
> > updated for PPC.
>
> Yes, we're aware of that. However, it is up to the Debian PowerPC
> community to update that and unfortunately so far nobody has stepped up
> to work on that.

Frans,

There is no wonder of that if you keep insulting the powerpc community, like
you did at the start of january, while i was banned and not posting [0].

Please, let's put the past behind us, and put again the debian project as our
top priorities, and all work together to make debian the best distribution out
there, instead of loosing so much time with hate and in-fighting.

I was sad that you chose not to meet with me at FOSDEM, and that when i
greeted you in the hall outside the debian room, you chose to ignore me and
pass by me looking the other was, as well as the way you chose to refuse to
participate in the discussion concerning my ideas for the kernel and d-i, and
the possibilities initramfs-tools offers to us.

We have done ourself a lot of hurt since last year, where we were both at
extremadura and at FOSDEM, and we had a good time together, let us go back to
this time, and put aside the dispute which riped us in between. I am sure we
will all have a hard time forgetting what happened, but it is a sign of
maturity to be able to put it aside for the greater good.

I still have faith in you and the others involved in this, that you will be
able to grasp this, and that we can all work in harmony and go back to hacking
happily ever after.

  [0] - http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2007/01/msg00068.html

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Bug#411446: Clock not set correctly; MacOS9 not detected?

Rick Thomas
In reply to this post by Wouter Verhelst

So the problem is that (aside from the possibility that OS9 is not  
being recognized) if the other OS is OS9, the default for hardware  
clock should be "local time", but if the other OS is OS-X, the  
default for the hardware clock should be "UTC".  Is that a correct  
assessment?

I solve it by running my OS9 in UTC.  Others are not so likely to  
appreciate that solution!

Rick



On Feb 28, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 05:53:16PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
>> Note that Debian people tell me that OSx systems _are supposed_ to  
>> run
>> with internal clock on UTC.
>
> This seems correct, yes; My PowerBook happily runs both Debian and  
> OS X
> at this time, with clock set correctly, and with 'tail -n 1
> /etc/adjtime' returning 'UTC'.



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Re: we differ, lets care about the common interrests

Geert Stappers
In reply to this post by Sven Luther
>
> I was sad that you chose not to meet with me at FOSDEM, and that when i
> greeted you in the hall outside the debian room, you chose to ignore me and
> pass by me looking the other was, as well as the way you chose to refuse to
> participate in the discussion concerning my ideas for the kernel and d-i, and
> the possibilities initramfs-tools offers to us.
>
> We have done ourself a lot of hurt since last year, where we were both at
> extremadura and at FOSDEM, and we had a good time together, let us go back to
> this time, and put aside the dispute which riped us in between. I am sure we
> will all have a hard time forgetting what happened, but it is a sign of
> maturity to be able to put it aside for the greater good.
>
> I still have faith in you and the others involved in this, that you will be
> able to grasp this, and that we can all work in harmony and go back to hacking
> happily ever after.


Rule 1: People do differ

Rule 2: Find the common goals. When not possible: accept Rule 1


Geert Stappers


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