Bug#872553: RC bugs in synaptic

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Bug#872553: RC bugs in synaptic

Jeremy Bicha-5
These bugs are almost certainly duplicate of https://bugs.debian.org/818366

Could you handle marking them as duplicates? (Sorry, I find it tedious
to do that in Debian.)

I don't think Synaptic is going to work on Wayland in time for Buster
regardless of how many RC bugs we file against it. Maybe severity:
important is good enough with a mention in the Release Notes that
Debian GNOME uses Wayland by default and you'll need to log in to
"GNOME on Xorg" if you want to use certain apps like Synaptic or most
screen recording apps.

Jeremy

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Bug#897348: RC bugs in synaptic

Paul Gevers-4
forcemerge 818366 872553 897348
severity 818366 serious
clone 818366 -1
reassign -1 release-notes
retitle -1 synaptic and other apps don't work on Wayland
severity -1 normal
thanks

Hi Jeremy,

On 05-03-2019 08:04, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> These bugs are almost certainly duplicate of https://bugs.debian.org/818366
>
> Could you handle marking them as duplicates? (Sorry, I find it tedious
> to do that in Debian.)

Done per above with the first command to [hidden email]

> I don't think Synaptic is going to work on Wayland in time for Buster
> regardless of how many RC bugs we file against it. Maybe severity:
> important is good enough

If synaptic isn't working at all in the default desktop with the default
way of logging in, is it a service to our users if we ship synaptic at
all with buster? I'm not convinced of that, so I left the bug at RC
level. Or am I missing something from your explanation?

> with a mention in the Release Notes that
> Debian GNOME uses Wayland by default and you'll need to log in to
> "GNOME on Xorg" if you want to use certain apps like Synaptic or most
> screen recording apps.

And cloned the bug against the release-notes to have that end up there.

Paul


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Bug#923791: synaptic and most screen recording apps don't work on Wayland

Paul Gevers-4
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Package: release-notes

Discussed in bug 818366 (and merged ones).

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Subject: Re: RC bugs in synaptic
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 02:04:06 -0500
From: Jeremy Bicha <[hidden email]>
To: aul Gevers <[hidden email]>, [hidden email],
[hidden email]
CC: zaoqi <[hidden email]>, [hidden email], Schmidt Cristian
Hernan <[hidden email]>, Ben Finney <[hidden email]>

These bugs are almost certainly duplicate of https://bugs.debian.org/818366

Could you handle marking them as duplicates? (Sorry, I find it tedious
to do that in Debian.)

I don't think Synaptic is going to work on Wayland in time for Buster
regardless of how many RC bugs we file against it. Maybe severity:
important is good enough with a mention in the Release Notes that
Debian GNOME uses Wayland by default and you'll need to log in to
"GNOME on Xorg" if you want to use certain apps like Synaptic or most
screen recording apps.

Jeremy




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Bug#923791: marked as done (synaptic and most screen recording apps don't work on Wayland)

Justin B Rye-3
> I committed a first version:
> https://salsa.debian.org/ddp-team/release-notes/commit/5496e24

Tentative patch attached.

> <section id="apps-in-gnome-on-wayland">
>   <title>Some applications don't work in GNOME on Wayland</title>
>   <para>
>     In contrast to Debian releases before buster, <literal>Wayland</literal> is
>     now the default display manager that is used by

This sounds as if we're drawing a contrast between Wayland and Stretch.

"Display manager" is things like gdm and xdm; Xorg's a display *server*.

(Should we in fact be talking about this as "Wayland vs Xorg" or is it
"Wayland vs the X Window System"?  "Xorg" is just the metapackage to
install the X.Org implementation of an X11 server... but then again if
GNOME calls the option "Xorg" we presumably need to follow their lead,
even if $XDG_SESSION_TYPE does classify it as "X11".)

>     <literal>GNOME</literal>. <literal>GNOME</literal> used to default to
>     <literal>Xorg</literal> in the past. Some applications, including the

We don't usually put <literal> tags around things that are "upstream
software brand names" (and if we did we'd presumably want to do it in
the title line too).

We could boil all this down to
        GNOME in buster has changed its default display server from Xorg to Wayland.

>     popular package manager <systemitem role="package">synaptic</systemitem>

Is gparted also a problem case that's worth mentioning?

>     and most screen recording applications, have not been updated to work
>     properly under <literal>Wayland</literal>. In order to use these packages,
>     one needs to login with <literal>GNOME on Xorg</literal>.

The verb is two words, "log in".  Maybe this should be "log in with a
<literal>GNOME on Xorg</literal> session"?

(Unless the option in fact says "Gnome on Xorg", as some docs claim?
I can't find any similar string in the sources...)
--
JBR with qualifications in linguistics, experience as a Debian
        sysadmin, and probably no clue about this particular package

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