Re: Bug#132542: sysvinit: please make /etc/init.d/rcS a conffile

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Re: Bug#132542: sysvinit: please make /etc/init.d/rcS a conffile

Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Thorsten Glaser:

 > Just accept that this idea, originating from the systemd people at
Fedora/Freedesktop, is NOT welcome to classical Unix people.

Ahem!  We classical Unix people experienced this idea in the late 1980s,
from where it *really* originated, Sun and AT&T.

* https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.sun/K9286yRtZ8c/Abwzdo05gMMJ

The separate /sbin that you are asserting to be classical Unix and
suggesting as the place to put things here, actually was not classical
Unix in the first place.  Sun's Rusty Sandberg is credited with
inventing the ideas of /var and /sbin which the world gained with SunOS
4.0 in 1988, a year before AT&T System 5 Release 4 put it into /usr as
/usr/sbin with only a symbolic link at /sbin, and two years before
4.3BSD Reno adopted it in 1990, the BSD world having to that point used
/etc for such binaries.  Having things in lots of directories under /usr
(/usr/amdahl/bin, /usr/ucb, /usr/5bin, /usr/3bin, /usr/eun,
/usr/stanford/bin, /usr/brl, /usr/bbn, /usr/jerq/bin, and so on)
*pre-dates* the very idea of /sbin on Unix and was how things were for
most of the 1980s and the 1970s.

*
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.unix.questions/g9DsvKQx8h8/QNs0F-mHpR4J

* https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/448799/5132

* https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.unix.wizards/pLc_jhCUDtU/WD92a732Nx4J

Almost everything in *lots* of pseudo-user directories under /usr was
the actual classical Unix way.

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Bug#132542: Info received (Bug#132542: sysvinit: please make /etc/init.d/rcS a conffile)

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Re: Bug#132542: sysvinit: please make /etc/init.d/rcS a conffile

rhkramer
In reply to this post by Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
I don't understand the point of this email -- are you advocating for some
change, or to avoid some change?

 (I looked at the bug report and skimmed some of the messages -- it seems like
by posting this to the debian-user list you are looking for comments or
support here, but the issue is not clear (to me).)


On Saturday, February 02, 2019 05:31:57 AM Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:

> Thorsten Glaser:
>  > Just accept that this idea, originating from the systemd people at
>
> Fedora/Freedesktop, is NOT welcome to classical Unix people.
>
> Ahem!  We classical Unix people experienced this idea in the late 1980s,
> from where it *really* originated, Sun and AT&T.
>
> * https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.sun/K9286yRtZ8c/Abwzdo05gMMJ
>
> The separate /sbin that you are asserting to be classical Unix and
> suggesting as the place to put things here, actually was not classical
> Unix in the first place.  Sun's Rusty Sandberg is credited with
> inventing the ideas of /var and /sbin which the world gained with SunOS
> 4.0 in 1988, a year before AT&T System 5 Release 4 put it into /usr as
> /usr/sbin with only a symbolic link at /sbin, and two years before
> 4.3BSD Reno adopted it in 1990, the BSD world having to that point used
> /etc for such binaries.  Having things in lots of directories under /usr
> (/usr/amdahl/bin, /usr/ucb, /usr/5bin, /usr/3bin, /usr/eun,
> /usr/stanford/bin, /usr/brl, /usr/bbn, /usr/jerq/bin, and so on)
> *pre-dates* the very idea of /sbin on Unix and was how things were for
> most of the 1980s and the 1970s.
>
> *
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.unix.questions/g9DsvKQx8h8/QNs0F-mHpR4
> J
>
> * https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/448799/5132
>
> *
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.unix.wizards/pLc_jhCUDtU/WD92a732Nx4J
>
> Almost everything in *lots* of pseudo-user directories under /usr was
> the actual classical Unix way.