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Re: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration

Mathias Behrle-8
* Dominic Hargreaves: " Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration" (Sat, 14
  Apr 2018 13:11:56 +0100):

> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 06:02:37PM +0100, Dominic Hargreaves wrote[1]:
...

> Thanks
> ------
>
> Thanks to the following for their help and support with this process!
>
> * Alexander Wirt for his assistance as current alioth admin
> * Julien Cristau and Tollef Fog Heen for the DNS/redirection changes
> * Alex Muntada and Bernhard Schmidt, co-admins of the new service
>
> Dominic.
Big thanks to all involved also from my side, it is great to have the mailing
lists seamlessly running!

Mathias


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Re: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration

Christoph Biedl-7
Mathias Behrle wrote...

> Big thanks to all involved also from my side, it is great to have the mailing
> lists seamlessly running!

Seconded.


A few questions, though (asking for a friend, of course). It might have
been mentioned before but I have missed it then.

What is the long-term plan for this service? Indefinitely, or are users
kindly asked to move away from these addresses when convenient? In the
latter case lintian should emit according hints since even then this
might take several years.

Also, @lists.alioth.debian.org addresses that were *not* migrated now
result in bounces as expected. Are there already plans for a MBF
severity RC against all packages with a now-failing maintainer address?
This might become rather messy, I've counted some 1450 packages.

    Christoph

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Re: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration

Holger Levsen-2
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:39:22PM +0200, Christoph Biedl wrote:
> Also, @lists.alioth.debian.org addresses that were *not* migrated now
> result in bounces as expected. Are there already plans for a MBF
> severity RC against all packages with a now-failing maintainer address?
> This might become rather messy, I've counted some 1450 packages.

please file bugs, so that autoremovals can kick in. Thanks.


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cheers,
        Holger

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Re: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration

Dominic Hargreaves-2
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On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:39:22PM +0200, Christoph Biedl wrote:
> A few questions, though (asking for a friend, of course). It might have
> been mentioned before but I have missed it then.
>
> What is the long-term plan for this service? Indefinitely, or are users
> kindly asked to move away from these addresses when convenient? In the
> latter case lintian should emit according hints since even then this
> might take several years.

We committed to supporting it for 1-2 release cycles. Speaking for myself,
I plan to take a step back after the dust has settled and we see how
running the service works out before setting a firm timeline.

> Also, @lists.alioth.debian.org addresses that were *not* migrated now
> result in bounces as expected. Are there already plans for a MBF
> severity RC against all packages with a now-failing maintainer address?
> This might become rather messy, I've counted some 1450 packages.

I wasn't planning this work. I must admit that I did not check the numbers
but I am surprised it is so high. Can you share the results of
that analysis? It would be interesting to see what the distribution of
packages to lists is.

Thanks,
Dominic.

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Re: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration

Christoph Biedl-7
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Holger Levsen wrote...

> please file bugs, so that autoremovals can kick in. Thanks.

Sheesh, it's not about removing package but keeping them. By making sure
they are in good shape which, among many other things, means there is a
working well-defined maintainer contact address.

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Re: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration

Scott Kitterman-5
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On Tuesday, April 17, 2018 08:42:22 PM Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:39:22PM +0200, Christoph Biedl wrote:
> > Also, @lists.alioth.debian.org addresses that were *not* migrated now
> > result in bounces as expected. Are there already plans for a MBF
> > severity RC against all packages with a now-failing maintainer address?
> > This might become rather messy, I've counted some 1450 packages.
>
> please file bugs, so that autoremovals can kick in. Thanks.

I've been watching my FTP team mailbox for new uploads with dead addresses due
to alioth lists going away.  Yesterday and today it was 5 RC bugs and one
package rejected from New.

Please, check you've got a working maintainer address before doing a new
upload.  You'll end up waiting a long time for the Accepted mail if you don't.

Scott K

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Re: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration

Emilio Pozuelo Monfort-4
In reply to this post by Holger Levsen-2
On 17/04/18 22:42, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:39:22PM +0200, Christoph Biedl wrote:
>> Also, @lists.alioth.debian.org addresses that were *not* migrated now
>> result in bounces as expected. Are there already plans for a MBF
>> severity RC against all packages with a now-failing maintainer address?
>> This might become rather messy, I've counted some 1450 packages.
>
> please file bugs, so that autoremovals can kick in. Thanks.

Not until we see a list of affected packages and maintainers.

Emilio

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Re: About the MBF on now-failing alioth list addresses (was: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration)

Alex Muntada-2
In reply to this post by Dominic Hargreaves-2
Hi Christoph,

> First, Dom asked for the analysis that led to my number of somewhat
> 1450 affected packages. He got this in private, a refined version
> below, it boils down to: Any package with a @lists.alioth.debian.org
> address in Maintainer: is affected if and only if the localpart of that
> address is listed in
> <https://alioth-lists-archive.debian.net/pipermail/>. Since I'd like to
> avoid false and missing alerts if ever possible, I'm hereby asking for
> explicit confirmation this assumption is correct.

IIRC, the lists with private archives that nobody requested to
migrate to alioth-lists are also failing since last weekend,
i.e. alioth-lists-archive has only those lists with public
archives that nobody requested to migrate.

I'm not sure that we have a list of lists that haven't been
migrated, but I guess we can easily get that list.

OTOH, there are some packages that have users.alioth.debian.org
e-mail addresses in Maintainer and Uploaders, that may be worth
dealing with.

Cheers,
Alex


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Re: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration

Christoph Biedl-7
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Christoph Biedl wrote...

> Also, @lists.alioth.debian.org addresses that were *not* migrated now
> result in bounces as expected. Are there already plans for a MBF
> severity RC against all packages with a now-failing maintainer address?

Following the rule a social ecosystem can work only if you're willing to
do a bit more than your actual chores, I'll organize this MBF. Currently
some coordination with the alioth-lists maintainers is happening, also
we might implement some shortcuts for deceased lists that maintain
*many* packages, some numbers have three digits ...

Stay tuned.

    Christoph


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Re: About the MBF on now-failing alioth list addresses (was: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration)

Andreas Tille-5
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Hi,

if you are in CC of this mail please replace your e-mail address
in the named source package in Maintainer and Uploaders field since
the e-mail becomes invalid soon with the shutdown of Alioth.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:09:40PM +0200, Alex Muntada wrote:
 
> OTOH, there are some packages that have users.alioth.debian.org
> e-mail addresses in Maintainer and Uploaders, that may be worth
> dealing with.


udd=# select distinct source, maintainer from packages where maintainer like '%alioth.debian.org%' and maintainer not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%' ;
       source        |                     maintainer                    
---------------------+----------------------------------------------------
 gconfmm2.6          | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
 glibmm2.4           | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
 gnome-vfsmm2.6      | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
 gtkmm2.4            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
 gtkmm-documentation | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
 libglademm2.4       | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
 libgnomecanvasmm2.6 | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
 libgnomemm2.6       | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
 libgnomeuimm2.6     | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
 libnotifymm         | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
 libxml++2.6         | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
 scim-pinyin         | Ming Hua <[hidden email]>
 scim-tables         | Ming Hua <[hidden email]>
 scim-uim            | Ming Hua <[hidden email]>
(14 rows)
 
I've added those two maintainers in CC.

Similar with Uploaders (I've excluded in the list the sources that are
mentioned above):

udd=# select distinct source, uploaders from sources where uploaders like '%alioth.debian.org%' and uploaders not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%' and source not in ( select distinct source from packages where maintainer like '%alioth.debian.org%' and maintainer not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%');
       source       |                                                                                               uploaders                                                                                              
--------------------+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 atkmm1.6           | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Krzysztof Klimonda <[hidden email]>
 autoconf-archive   | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
 glade-3            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Josselin Mouette <[hidden email]>, Loic Minier <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>
 glade-3            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Josselin Mouette <[hidden email]>, Loic Minier <[hidden email]>, Sebastian Dröge <[hidden email]>
 gsequencer         | Joël Krähemann <[hidden email]>, IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) <[hidden email]>
 gsequencer         | Joël Krähemann <[hidden email]>, IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) <[hidden email]>,
 gtkmm3.0           | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Sebastian Dröge <[hidden email]>
 libgtksourceviewmm | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Josselin Mouette <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>
 libgtksourceviewmm | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Loic Minier <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>
 pangomm            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Martin Pitt <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Michael Casadevall <[hidden email]>
 pangomm            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Martin Pitt <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Sebastian Dröge <[hidden email]>, Michael Casadevall <[hidden email]>
 pangomm            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Sebastian Dröge <[hidden email]>, Michael Casadevall <[hidden email]>
 postgrey           | Jon Daley <[hidden email]>
 scim               |  Osamu Aoki <[hidden email]>, LI Daobing <[hidden email]>, Ming Hua <[hidden email]>
 scim-hangul        | Ming Hua <[hidden email]>
 scim-m17n          | Osamu Aoki <[hidden email]>, Ming Hua <[hidden email]>
(16 Zeilen)


Kind regards

     Andreas.


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Re: About the MBF on now-failing alioth list addresses (was: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration)

Andreas Tille-5
Hi again,

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 09:06:09AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Hi,
>
> if you are in CC of this mail please replace your e-mail address
> in the named source package in Maintainer and Uploaders field since
> the e-mail becomes invalid soon with the shutdown of Alioth.

the lists are definitely shorter if it is restricted to release='sid'
which is the only thing we can change (and Ming Hua
<[hidden email]> does not need to change
anything anymore - thanks for doing this pro-actively):

Maintainers:

udd=# select distinct source, maintainer from packages where release = 'sid' and maintainer like '%alioth.debian.org%' and maintainer not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%' ;
       source        |                     maintainer                    
---------------------+----------------------------------------------------
 libglademm2.4       | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
 libgnomecanvasmm2.6 | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
(2 Zeilen)


Uploaders (here is even a duplicate, probably due to different arches):

udd=# select distinct source, uploaders from sources where uploaders like '%alioth.debian.org%' and uploaders not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%' and source not in ( select distinct source from packages where maintainer like '%alioth.debian.org%' and maintainer not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%');
udd=# select distinct source, uploaders from sources where release = 'sid' and uploaders like '%alioth.debian.org%' and uploaders not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%' and source not in ( select distinct source from packages where maintainer like '%alioth.debian.org%' and maintainer not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%');
       source       |                                                                             uploaders                                                                            
--------------------+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 atkmm1.6           | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Krzysztof Klimonda <[hidden email]>
 autoconf-archive   | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
 gsequencer         | Joël Krähemann <[hidden email]>, IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) <[hidden email]>
 gsequencer         | Joël Krähemann <[hidden email]>, IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) <[hidden email]>,
 libgtksourceviewmm | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Josselin Mouette <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>
 pangomm            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Martin Pitt <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Michael Casadevall <[hidden email]>
 postgrey           | Jon Daley <[hidden email]>
(7 Zeilen)

Kind regards

        Andreas.
 

> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:09:40PM +0200, Alex Muntada wrote:
>  
> > OTOH, there are some packages that have users.alioth.debian.org
> > e-mail addresses in Maintainer and Uploaders, that may be worth
> > dealing with.
>
>
> udd=# select distinct source, maintainer from packages where maintainer like '%alioth.debian.org%' and maintainer not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%' ;
>        source        |                     maintainer                    
> ---------------------+----------------------------------------------------
>  gconfmm2.6          | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>  glibmm2.4           | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>  gnome-vfsmm2.6      | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>  gtkmm2.4            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>  gtkmm-documentation | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>  libglademm2.4       | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>  libgnomecanvasmm2.6 | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>  libgnomemm2.6       | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>  libgnomeuimm2.6     | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>  libnotifymm         | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>  libxml++2.6         | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>  scim-pinyin         | Ming Hua <[hidden email]>
>  scim-tables         | Ming Hua <[hidden email]>
>  scim-uim            | Ming Hua <[hidden email]>
> (14 rows)
>  
> I've added those two maintainers in CC.
>
> Similar with Uploaders (I've excluded in the list the sources that are
> mentioned above):
>
> udd=# select distinct source, uploaders from sources where uploaders like '%alioth.debian.org%' and uploaders not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%' and source not in ( select distinct source from packages where maintainer like '%alioth.debian.org%' and maintainer not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%');
>        source       |                                                                                               uploaders                                                                                              
> --------------------+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  atkmm1.6           | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Krzysztof Klimonda <[hidden email]>
>  autoconf-archive   | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>  glade-3            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Josselin Mouette <[hidden email]>, Loic Minier <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>
>  glade-3            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Josselin Mouette <[hidden email]>, Loic Minier <[hidden email]>, Sebastian Dröge <[hidden email]>
>  gsequencer         | Joël Krähemann <[hidden email]>, IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) <[hidden email]>
>  gsequencer         | Joël Krähemann <[hidden email]>, IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) <[hidden email]>,
>  gtkmm3.0           | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Sebastian Dröge <[hidden email]>
>  libgtksourceviewmm | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Josselin Mouette <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>
>  libgtksourceviewmm | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Loic Minier <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>
>  pangomm            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Martin Pitt <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Michael Casadevall <[hidden email]>
>  pangomm            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Martin Pitt <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Sebastian Dröge <[hidden email]>, Michael Casadevall <[hidden email]>
>  pangomm            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Sebastian Dröge <[hidden email]>, Michael Casadevall <[hidden email]>
>  postgrey           | Jon Daley <[hidden email]>
>  scim               |  Osamu Aoki <[hidden email]>, LI Daobing <[hidden email]>, Ming Hua <[hidden email]>
>  scim-hangul        | Ming Hua <[hidden email]>
>  scim-m17n          | Osamu Aoki <[hidden email]>, Ming Hua <[hidden email]>
> (16 Zeilen)
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>      Andreas.
>
>
> --
> http://fam-tille.de
>
>

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Re: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration

Raphael Hertzog-3
In reply to this post by Christoph Biedl-7
Hello,

On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, Christoph Biedl wrote:
> > Also, @lists.alioth.debian.org addresses that were *not* migrated now
> > result in bounces as expected. Are there already plans for a MBF
> > severity RC against all packages with a now-failing maintainer address?
>
> Following the rule a social ecosystem can work only if you're willing to
> do a bit more than your actual chores, I'll organize this MBF. Currently
> some coordination with the alioth-lists maintainers is happening, also
> we might implement some shortcuts for deceased lists that maintain
> *many* packages, some numbers have three digits ...

Packages maintained by forensics-devel@ and pkg-security-team@ all
have a fixed maintainer email in git. I was not planning on doing any mass
upload right now and I would be really annoyed to have to hand-edit all
changelog entries to add a bug closure.

So please don't file bugs for those. However a new check and/or a ping a
few months before the freeze would certainly be welcome.

Cheers,
--
Raphaël Hertzog ◈ Debian Developer

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Re: About the MBF on now-failing alioth list addresses (was: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration)

Joël Krähemann-2
In reply to this post by Andreas Tille-5
Hi,

I just replaced the alioth mail address of gsequencer repository. What about
an old debian changelog entry?

 -- Joël Krähemann <[hidden email]>  Wed,
01 Feb 2017 11:14:14 +0100

Bests,
Joël

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Andreas Tille <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 09:06:09AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> if you are in CC of this mail please replace your e-mail address
>> in the named source package in Maintainer and Uploaders field since
>> the e-mail becomes invalid soon with the shutdown of Alioth.
>
> the lists are definitely shorter if it is restricted to release='sid'
> which is the only thing we can change (and Ming Hua
> <[hidden email]> does not need to change
> anything anymore - thanks for doing this pro-actively):
>
> Maintainers:
>
> udd=# select distinct source, maintainer from packages where release = 'sid' and maintainer like '%alioth.debian.org%' and maintainer not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%' ;
>        source        |                     maintainer
> ---------------------+----------------------------------------------------
>  libglademm2.4       | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>  libgnomecanvasmm2.6 | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
> (2 Zeilen)
>
>
> Uploaders (here is even a duplicate, probably due to different arches):
>
> udd=# select distinct source, uploaders from sources where uploaders like '%alioth.debian.org%' and uploaders not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%' and source not in ( select distinct source from packages where maintainer like '%alioth.debian.org%' and maintainer not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%');
> udd=# select distinct source, uploaders from sources where release = 'sid' and uploaders like '%alioth.debian.org%' and uploaders not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%' and source not in ( select distinct source from packages where maintainer like '%alioth.debian.org%' and maintainer not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%');
>        source       |                                                                             uploaders
> --------------------+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  atkmm1.6           | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Krzysztof Klimonda <[hidden email]>
>  autoconf-archive   | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>  gsequencer         | Joël Krähemann <[hidden email]>, IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) <[hidden email]>
>  gsequencer         | Joël Krähemann <[hidden email]>, IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) <[hidden email]>,
>  libgtksourceviewmm | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Josselin Mouette <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>
>  pangomm            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Martin Pitt <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Michael Casadevall <[hidden email]>
>  postgrey           | Jon Daley <[hidden email]>
> (7 Zeilen)
>
> Kind regards
>
>         Andreas.
>
>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:09:40PM +0200, Alex Muntada wrote:
>>
>> > OTOH, there are some packages that have users.alioth.debian.org
>> > e-mail addresses in Maintainer and Uploaders, that may be worth
>> > dealing with.
>>
>>
>> udd=# select distinct source, maintainer from packages where maintainer like '%alioth.debian.org%' and maintainer not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%' ;
>>        source        |                     maintainer
>> ---------------------+----------------------------------------------------
>>  gconfmm2.6          | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>>  glibmm2.4           | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>>  gnome-vfsmm2.6      | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>>  gtkmm2.4            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>>  gtkmm-documentation | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>>  libglademm2.4       | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>>  libgnomecanvasmm2.6 | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>>  libgnomemm2.6       | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>>  libgnomeuimm2.6     | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>>  libnotifymm         | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>>  libxml++2.6         | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>>  scim-pinyin         | Ming Hua <[hidden email]>
>>  scim-tables         | Ming Hua <[hidden email]>
>>  scim-uim            | Ming Hua <[hidden email]>
>> (14 rows)
>>
>> I've added those two maintainers in CC.
>>
>> Similar with Uploaders (I've excluded in the list the sources that are
>> mentioned above):
>>
>> udd=# select distinct source, uploaders from sources where uploaders like '%alioth.debian.org%' and uploaders not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%' and source not in ( select distinct source from packages where maintainer like '%alioth.debian.org%' and maintainer not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%');
>>        source       |                                                                                               uploaders
>> --------------------+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>  atkmm1.6           | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Krzysztof Klimonda <[hidden email]>
>>  autoconf-archive   | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>>  glade-3            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Josselin Mouette <[hidden email]>, Loic Minier <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>
>>  glade-3            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Josselin Mouette <[hidden email]>, Loic Minier <[hidden email]>, Sebastian Dröge <[hidden email]>
>>  gsequencer         | Joël Krähemann <[hidden email]>, IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) <[hidden email]>
>>  gsequencer         | Joël Krähemann <[hidden email]>, IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) <[hidden email]>,
>>  gtkmm3.0           | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Sebastian Dröge <[hidden email]>
>>  libgtksourceviewmm | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Josselin Mouette <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>
>>  libgtksourceviewmm | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Loic Minier <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>
>>  pangomm            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Martin Pitt <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Michael Casadevall <[hidden email]>
>>  pangomm            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Martin Pitt <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Sebastian Dröge <[hidden email]>, Michael Casadevall <[hidden email]>
>>  pangomm            | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>, Michael Biebl <[hidden email]>, Sebastian Dröge <[hidden email]>, Michael Casadevall <[hidden email]>
>>  postgrey           | Jon Daley <[hidden email]>
>>  scim               |  Osamu Aoki <[hidden email]>, LI Daobing <[hidden email]>, Ming Hua <[hidden email]>
>>  scim-hangul        | Ming Hua <[hidden email]>
>>  scim-m17n          | Osamu Aoki <[hidden email]>, Ming Hua <[hidden email]>
>> (16 Zeilen)
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>      Andreas.
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://fam-tille.de
>>
>>
>
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Re: About the MBF on now-failing alioth list addresses (was: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration)

jbicha
In reply to this post by Andreas Tille-5
On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 3:12 AM, Andreas Tille <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Maintainers:
>
> udd=# select distinct source, maintainer from packages where release = 'sid' and maintainer like '%alioth.debian.org%' and maintainer not like '%lists.alioth.debian.org%' ;
>        source        |                     maintainer
> ---------------------+----------------------------------------------------
>  libglademm2.4       | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>
>  libgnomecanvasmm2.6 | Deng Xiyue <[hidden email]>

Neither of those 2 packages are in Testing and it's intended for them
to be removed from Unstable "soon".

Thanks,
Jeremy Bicha

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Re: About the MBF on now-failing alioth list addresses (was: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration)

Holger Levsen-2
In reply to this post by Andreas Tille-5
On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 09:06:09AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> > OTOH, there are some packages that have users.alioth.debian.org
> > e-mail addresses in Maintainer and Uploaders, that may be worth
> > dealing with.
 
Andreas, thanks for digging out the facts and informing those affected!


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cheers,
        Holger

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Re: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration

Christoph Biedl-7
In reply to this post by Raphael Hertzog-3
Raphael Hertzog wrote...

> Packages maintained by forensics-devel@ and pkg-security-team@ all
> have a fixed maintainer email in git. I was not planning on doing any mass
> upload right now and I would be really annoyed to have to hand-edit all
> changelog entries to add a bug closure.

Debian policy has a clear statement on the validity of the address in
the Maintainer: field. I fully support this "must" requirement, that's
why I'm doing this cleanup job - and not because I'm a huge fan of
beaurocratic processes.

On the other hand I fully agree doing dozens or hundreds of uploads just
because an address out of my control became invalid is a huge waste of
ressources that are better spent elsewhere. However, that's why
alioth-lists was created.


So I see two options: Either get wide consensus packages like yours are
not considered rc-buggy for the time being, also make sure it's assured
important mails like bug reports do reach people who are in charge of
the respective package.

However, keep in mind I would certainly not agree to that since it's a
terrible hack, creates a precedent I wouldn't want to see, and mostly:
There's another option, ask the alioth-list administrators to create an
according forward. For you, this should take less time than writing an
answer to this message, for them hopefully not much longer.

> So please don't file bugs for those.

Noted. But anybody could do this as well.

    Christoph


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Re: About the MBF on now-failing alioth list addresses (was: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration)

Andreas Tille-6
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Hi Joël,

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 08:02:33PM +0200, Joël Krähemann wrote:
>
> I just replaced the alioth mail address of gsequencer repository.

Thanks for the quick response.

> What about an old debian changelog entry?
>
>  -- Joël Krähemann <[hidden email]>  Wed,
> 01 Feb 2017 11:14:14 +0100

These changelog entries do not make it into apt cache, UDD and the tools
that are consuming these data.  If you adapt d/control and the recent
changelog entry fits the ID you gave in d/control that's fine.

BTW, I guess that lots of old changelog entries are containing invalid
e-mail addresses (including my first packages) - so there is no point in
change the past.

Kind regards

       Andreas.

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Re: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration

Raphael Hertzog-3
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Hi,

On Fri, 20 Apr 2018, Christoph Biedl wrote:
> On the other hand I fully agree doing dozens or hundreds of uploads just
> because an address out of my control became invalid is a huge waste of
> ressources that are better spent elsewhere. However, that's why
> alioth-lists was created.

We have switched to a common mailing list on lists.debian.org:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-tools/

But this list should not get bug reports and usual package maintainance
mail. It's a discussion list between team members.

> So I see two options: Either get wide consensus packages like yours are
> not considered rc-buggy for the time being, also make sure it's assured
> important mails like bug reports do reach people who are in charge of
> the respective package.

Package maintainers are subscribed to team packages through the package
tracker (either individually or through the team):
https://tracker.debian.org/teams/pkg-security/

> However, keep in mind I would certainly not agree to that since it's a
> terrible hack, creates a precedent I wouldn't want to see, and mostly:
> There's another option, ask the alioth-list administrators to create an
> according forward. For you, this should take less time than writing an
> answer to this message, for them hopefully not much longer.

Except that we would want the forward to only forward user emails and not
automatic emails sent by the BTS, DAK, etc. since we already get those
through the package tracker. I'm not sure that they are willing to do
something like this, it would require local delivery to something like
procmail.

Still I'm ccing them to get their feedback on this.

Cheers,
--
Raphaël Hertzog ◈ Debian Developer

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Re: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration

Adam Borowski-3
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 09:24:48AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Apr 2018, Christoph Biedl wrote:
> > On the other hand I fully agree doing dozens or hundreds of uploads just
> > because an address out of my control became invalid is a huge waste of
> > ressources that are better spent elsewhere. However, that's why
> > alioth-lists was created.
>
> We have switched to a common mailing list on lists.debian.org:
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-tools/
>
> But this list should not get bug reports and usual package maintainance
> mail. It's a discussion list between team members.

A lot of other teams are in this situation.  And no one seems to know what
are we supposed to do.  So the results are quite... random.

For example, on my packages:
4 have Debian Fonts Task Force <[hidden email]>
1 has Debian Desktop Theme Team <[hidden email]>
2 (in NEW) have [hidden email]

The first four are traditional, and just became buggy as that list has been
migrated to l.d.o rather than not-yet-then-announced alioth-lists (which is,
as I understand, only a temporary measure).  I need to fix those.

The next one, has only the human name matching, with some crap as e-mail.
Most tools match by the latter, thus this scheme doesn't seem to work.  I'll
change it as soon as anyone tells me _what_ to switch to.

The last two have a good working maintainer address, but violate the rules
for l.d.o lists (as you say, these shouldn't get maintainership mails).

> > So I see two options: Either get wide consensus packages like yours are
> > not considered rc-buggy for the time being, also make sure it's assured
> > important mails like bug reports do reach people who are in charge of
> > the respective package.
>
> Package maintainers are subscribed to team packages through the package
> tracker (either individually or through the team):
> https://tracker.debian.org/teams/pkg-security/

This is not done automatically, thus in a good part of cases will be
forgotten.


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⣾⠁⢰⠒⠀⣿⡁
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Re: Completed: lists.alioth.debian.org migration

Alexander Wirt-2
On Fri, 20 Apr 2018, Adam Borowski wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 09:24:48AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Apr 2018, Christoph Biedl wrote:
> > > On the other hand I fully agree doing dozens or hundreds of uploads just
> > > because an address out of my control became invalid is a huge waste of
> > > ressources that are better spent elsewhere. However, that's why
> > > alioth-lists was created.
> >
> > We have switched to a common mailing list on lists.debian.org:
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-tools/
> >
> > But this list should not get bug reports and usual package maintainance
> > mail. It's a discussion list between team members.
>
> A lot of other teams are in this situation.  And no one seems to know what
> are we supposed to do.  So the results are quite... random.
>
> For example, on my packages:
> 4 have Debian Fonts Task Force <[hidden email]>
> 1 has Debian Desktop Theme Team <[hidden email]>
> 2 (in NEW) have [hidden email]
>
> The first four are traditional, and just became buggy as that list has been
> migrated to l.d.o rather than not-yet-then-announced alioth-lists (which is,
> as I understand, only a temporary measure).  I need to fix those.
>
> The next one, has only the human name matching, with some crap as e-mail.
> Most tools match by the latter, thus this scheme doesn't seem to work.  I'll
> change it as soon as anyone tells me _what_ to switch to.
>
> The last two have a good working maintainer address, but violate the rules
> for l.d.o lists (as you say, these shouldn't get maintainership mails).
That "requirement" doesn't exist. What we said is: we don't want
maintainership **only** lists. If you have a combined discussion and
maintainership mail list thats fine.

Alex - Debian Listmaster
 

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