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Brenda J. Butler


Hello Yehuda,

On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 10:17:22AM +0300, Yehuda Korotkin wrote:

> Hello Debian Women,
>
> My name is Yehuda Korotkin and I teach technologies in one of leading
> colleges for women in Israel.
>
> I thought about the possibility of introduce Debian and the Debian
> community to the girls that i teach.
>
> Our girls will install Debian Linux for the first time in their lives next
> week. I would like to take them on a journey in the Debian world (from
> installation to community behind code). And give them a feeling of welcome
> and belonging to Debian.
>
> I think would be fun and interesting to make a video conference call with
> community and give them a general explanation about Debian, introduce them
> to the community and get them welcome to the world of Debian
>
> We could allocate up to 45 minutes for this conference.
> The study hours are GMT+2 (Jerusalem Time) between Sun-Thu 10:00-19:00.
>
> I hope that in a soon will be more active profiles on
> https://www.debian.org/women/profiles/
>
>
> So, What do you say ?
> Pros?
> Cons?
>
> >>> Your opinion is important to me, tell me what you think
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Yehuda Korotkin
>
> <http://www.korotkin.co.il/>
>
> web www.korotkin.co.il
>
> mobile +972 (50) 414-6444
>
> email [hidden email]
---end quoted text---


Great that you are introducing your students to Debian!

I'm not a big part of Debian aside from being a devoted user, but I'd
like to let you know about how Debian works in terms of
communications.

Having a video conference like this is extremely unusual for the
Debian organization.  Mostly the users and developers use email, irc
and other non-synchronous means for virtually all communication.  Once
in a while, there is a conference and some Debian people will meet in
person.  Mainly, the communications are not about introducing Debian -
the people communicating are already using Debian.  There is very
little in the way of introductions/recruitment aside from the
web pages that describe Debian (www.debian.org and the wiki).

I can see the value in making the introduction to the students more
interactive than the usual Debian communications though.  A lot of
people, esp. young people today (everywhere), are just not interested
in typing to write programs or communicate.

You have contacted a very good group in terms of getting a response
for talking to women (debian-women).

In addition, there are some groups among Debian that support "events".
These people go to non-Debian conferences (that are willing to have
them) and promote Debian there.

I think it might be worth sending an email to those lists (usually
called debian-events-???, like debian-events-na, etc).  These people
are used to receiving requests similar to what you want and are
experienced in this kind of communication.  Since you are willing to
do a video conference, then probably anyone anywhere in the world can
help you - they don't have to be in your region.  It would help the
person who will be introducing Debian to know a bit about the
background of their audience.

In terms of making the talk interesting to your students, these
groups can also get some items like stickers or t-shirts to sell
or give to the students.  Normally they bring them to the event;
I'm not sure if it will be possible to ship stuff like that to
another country.  Debian has pretty much no marketing budget.

So I hope this helps!  You can see a list of Debian mailing lists
here:

https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe

and here is the list of mailing lists with "events" in the name:

debian-events-eu     europe
debian-events-ha     hispanic america
debian-events-na     north america
debian-events-nl     netherlands

I see also the lists with "dug" in the name (Debian user group,
maybe) help to coordinate events in their regions:

debian-dug-by        Belarus
debian-dug-ie        ireland
debian-dug-in        india
debian-dug-mx        mexico
debian-dug-quebec    quebec

You can also connect with the #debian irc chat on oftc.  It would
be closer to the kind of communications that Debian users are
accustomed to.  See https://www.debian.org/support and search for
"On-line Real Time Help Using IRC" for more info.

However, that channel is not really for social chitchat or general
introductions.  It is more for solving specific problems that you
might run into while installing or using Debian.  You can get
almost-real-time help from there.  So it might be useful while your
students are actually doing their install.


Does anyone else have anything to add?


So I hope I haven't misrepresented Debian ... I have copied this
email to debian-events-na where I know there are some people
who might respond.

bjb


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Re: Debian Women Introduction

Kevin Mark-6
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 01:52:20PM -0400, Brenda J. Butler wrote:

>
>
> Hello Yehuda,
>
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 10:17:22AM +0300, Yehuda Korotkin wrote:
> > Hello Debian Women,
> >
> > My name is Yehuda Korotkin and I teach technologies in one of leading
> > colleges for women in Israel.
> >
> > I thought about the possibility of introduce Debian and the Debian
> > community to the girls that i teach.
> >
> > Our girls will install Debian Linux for the first time in their lives next
> > week. I would like to take them on a journey in the Debian world (from
> > installation to community behind code). And give them a feeling of welcome
> > and belonging to Debian.
> >
> > I think would be fun and interesting to make a video conference call with
> > community and give them a general explanation about Debian, introduce them
> > to the community and get them welcome to the world of Debian
> >
> > We could allocate up to 45 minutes for this conference.
> > The study hours are GMT+2 (Jerusalem Time) between Sun-Thu 10:00-19:00.
> >
> > I hope that in a soon will be more active profiles on
> > https://www.debian.org/women/profiles/
> >
> >
> > So, What do you say ?
> > Pros?
> > Cons?
> >
> > >>> Your opinion is important to me, tell me what you think
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards,
> > Yehuda Korotkin
> >
> > <http://www.korotkin.co.il/>
> >
> > web www.korotkin.co.il
> >
> > mobile +972 (50) 414-6444
> >
> > email [hidden email]
> ---end quoted text---
>
>
> Great that you are introducing your students to Debian!
>
> I'm not a big part of Debian aside from being a devoted user, but I'd
> like to let you know about how Debian works in terms of
> communications.
>
> Having a video conference like this is extremely unusual for the
> Debian organization.  Mostly the users and developers use email, irc
> and other non-synchronous means for virtually all communication.  Once
> in a while, there is a conference and some Debian people will meet in
> person.  Mainly, the communications are not about introducing Debian -
> the people communicating are already using Debian.  There is very
> little in the way of introductions/recruitment aside from the
> web pages that describe Debian (www.debian.org and the wiki).
>
> I can see the value in making the introduction to the students more
> interactive than the usual Debian communications though.  A lot of
> people, esp. young people today (everywhere), are just not interested
> in typing to write programs or communicate.
>
> You have contacted a very good group in terms of getting a response
> for talking to women (debian-women).
>
> In addition, there are some groups among Debian that support "events".
> These people go to non-Debian conferences (that are willing to have
> them) and promote Debian there.
>
> I think it might be worth sending an email to those lists (usually
> called debian-events-???, like debian-events-na, etc).  These people
> are used to receiving requests similar to what you want and are
> experienced in this kind of communication.  Since you are willing to
> do a video conference, then probably anyone anywhere in the world can
> help you - they don't have to be in your region.  It would help the
> person who will be introducing Debian to know a bit about the
> background of their audience.
>
> In terms of making the talk interesting to your students, these
> groups can also get some items like stickers or t-shirts to sell
> or give to the students.  Normally they bring them to the event;
> I'm not sure if it will be possible to ship stuff like that to
> another country.  Debian has pretty much no marketing budget.
>
> So I hope this helps!  You can see a list of Debian mailing lists
> here:
>
> https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe
>
> and here is the list of mailing lists with "events" in the name:
>
> debian-events-eu     europe
> debian-events-ha     hispanic america
> debian-events-na     north america
> debian-events-nl     netherlands
>
> I see also the lists with "dug" in the name (Debian user group,
> maybe) help to coordinate events in their regions:
>
> debian-dug-by        Belarus
> debian-dug-ie        ireland
> debian-dug-in        india
> debian-dug-mx        mexico
> debian-dug-quebec    quebec
>
> You can also connect with the #debian irc chat on oftc.  It would
> be closer to the kind of communications that Debian users are
> accustomed to.  See https://www.debian.org/support and search for
> "On-line Real Time Help Using IRC" for more info.
>
> However, that channel is not really for social chitchat or general
> introductions.  It is more for solving specific problems that you
> might run into while installing or using Debian.  You can get
> almost-real-time help from there.  So it might be useful while your
> students are actually doing their install.
>
>
> Does anyone else have anything to add?
>
>
> So I hope I haven't misrepresented Debian ... I have copied this
> email to debian-events-na where I know there are some people
> who might respond.
>
> bjb

Hi Yehuda and Brenda,
That's great info that you provided.
Just a few more bits.
There is an Organization 'Open Hatch', they typically visit campuses in the US
and do 'on boarding' for various open source projects by doing a presentation
about what Open sourcce is and about the community. One of the co-founders
(Asheesh aka Paulproteous) is a DD (debian developers), so this is a good
person to contact. He might do a video session or might have pointers as to a
contact in .il. Either way, its has good stuff to browser at their website.
You can chat on IRC at #openhatch on irc.freenode.net

I'll add my diagrams that are useful for Debian. They are not up-to-date as
Debian has changed since 2007 a bit. But you can try to use DIA to translate
them if you want.  
http://mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/
http://mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/newdebian2.png
http://mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/debian-package.png
you can also look at the videos from the awesome minidebconf in Barcelona that
was made possible from Debian Women (10 years strong)
http://bcn2014.mini.debconf.org/
-Kevix


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Re: Debian Women Introduction

Miriam Ruiz-4
2014-06-14 9:44 GMT+02:00 Kevin Mark <[hidden email]>:

> Hi Yehuda and Brenda,
> That's great info that you provided.
> Just a few more bits.
> There is an Organization 'Open Hatch', they typically visit campuses in the US
> and do 'on boarding' for various open source projects by doing a presentation
> about what Open sourcce is and about the community. One of the co-founders
> (Asheesh aka Paulproteous) is a DD (debian developers), so this is a good
> person to contact. He might do a video session or might have pointers as to a
> contact in .il. Either way, its has good stuff to browser at their website.
> You can chat on IRC at #openhatch on irc.freenode.net

I have the feeling that in this particular case, at least, it would be
a good thing if a woman or a girl could be the one to video
conference, if that could be done. I think that is reason we got the
request at Debian Women, and I also see the possible benefits from it,
as it seems to be, in fact, a college for women. I understand that if
it is an in-person activity, such as visiting a campus, you will have
to do by whomever is available, male or female, and that makes totally
sense. That constraint is broken when we're talking about video
conferences, so in my opinion it would be nice if some woman or girl
would be able to do it. In the case that it was not possible, we might
maybe want to have an internal debate on how to make it possible for
future situations.

Greetings,
Miry


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Re: Debian Women Introduction

Kevin Mark-6



From: Miriam Ruiz <[hidden email]>
To: debian-women <[hidden email]>
Cc: Yehuda Korotkin <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Debian Women Introduction

2014-06-14 9:44 GMT+02:00 Kevin Mark <[hidden email]>:

> Hi Yehuda and Brenda,
> That's great info that you provided.
> Just a few more bits.
> There is an Organization 'Open Hatch', they typically visit campuses in the US
> and do 'on boarding' for various open source projects by doing a presentation
> about what Open sourcce is and about the community. One of the co-founders
> (Asheesh aka Paulproteous) is a DD (debian developers), so this is a good
> person to contact. He might do a video session or might have pointers as to a
> contact in .il. Either way, its has good stuff to browser at their website.
> You can chat on IRC at #openhatch on irc.freenode.net

I have the feeling that in this particular case, at least, it would be
a good thing if a woman or a girl could be the one to video
conference, if that could be done. I think that is reason we got the
request at Debian Women, and I also see the possible benefits from it,
as it seems to be, in fact, a college for women. I understand that if
it is an in-person activity, such as visiting a campus, you will have
to do by whomever is available, male or female, and that makes totally
sense. That constraint is broken when we're talking about video
conferences, so in my opinion it would be nice if some woman or girl
would be able to do it. In the case that it was not possible, we might
maybe want to have an internal debate on how to make it possible for
future situations.

Greetings,
Miry

Hola Miry,
yes, I agree. The co-founder is female,  as well as other people involved with OH. So this seems very possible, scheduling permitting.
-K
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Re: Debian Women Introduction

Yehuda Korotkin
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Hello Brenda J. Butler,

Thanks for the detailed email ! :-)

>> young people today (everywhere), are just not interested in typing to write programs or communicate.
-- Scary to imagine where this could lead ...

We (all of us) can initiate process that will motivate contribution to community from schools. 
What the difference between contributing a code and volunteer some-where? 
Some people can volunteer, some people can write brilliant things (See value "Linus Torvalds", can anyone say that it be better to him volunteer gardening instead of writing code?)

>> So I hope this helps!  
Course it helped a lot! Lots and lots of thanks!

Soon I will send email to groups specified. 

Thanks a lot!


On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Brenda J. Butler <[hidden email]> wrote:


Hello Yehuda,

On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 10:17:22AM +0300, Yehuda Korotkin wrote:
> Hello Debian Women,
>
> My name is Yehuda Korotkin and I teach technologies in one of leading
> colleges for women in Israel.
>
> I thought about the possibility of introduce Debian and the Debian
> community to the girls that i teach.
>
> Our girls will install Debian Linux for the first time in their lives next
> week. I would like to take them on a journey in the Debian world (from
> installation to community behind code). And give them a feeling of welcome
> and belonging to Debian.
>
> I think would be fun and interesting to make a video conference call with
> community and give them a general explanation about Debian, introduce them
> to the community and get them welcome to the world of Debian
>
> We could allocate up to 45 minutes for this conference.
> The study hours are GMT+2 (Jerusalem Time) between Sun-Thu 10:00-19:00.
>
> I hope that in a soon will be more active profiles on
> https://www.debian.org/women/profiles/
>
>
> So, What do you say ?
> Pros?
> Cons?
>
> >>> Your opinion is important to me, tell me what you think
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Yehuda Korotkin
>
> <http://www.korotkin.co.il/>
>
> web www.korotkin.co.il
>
> mobile <a href="tel:%2B972%20%2850%29%20414-6444" value="+972504146444">+972 (50) 414-6444
>
> email [hidden email]
---end quoted text---


Great that you are introducing your students to Debian!

I'm not a big part of Debian aside from being a devoted user, but I'd
like to let you know about how Debian works in terms of
communications.

Having a video conference like this is extremely unusual for the
Debian organization.  Mostly the users and developers use email, irc
and other non-synchronous means for virtually all communication.  Once
in a while, there is a conference and some Debian people will meet in
person.  Mainly, the communications are not about introducing Debian -
the people communicating are already using Debian.  There is very
little in the way of introductions/recruitment aside from the
web pages that describe Debian (www.debian.org and the wiki).

I can see the value in making the introduction to the students more
interactive than the usual Debian communications though.  A lot of
people, esp. young people today (everywhere), are just not interested
in typing to write programs or communicate.

You have contacted a very good group in terms of getting a response
for talking to women (debian-women).

In addition, there are some groups among Debian that support "events".
These people go to non-Debian conferences (that are willing to have
them) and promote Debian there.

I think it might be worth sending an email to those lists (usually
called debian-events-???, like debian-events-na, etc).  These people
are used to receiving requests similar to what you want and are
experienced in this kind of communication.  Since you are willing to
do a video conference, then probably anyone anywhere in the world can
help you - they don't have to be in your region.  It would help the
person who will be introducing Debian to know a bit about the
background of their audience.

In terms of making the talk interesting to your students, these
groups can also get some items like stickers or t-shirts to sell
or give to the students.  Normally they bring them to the event;
I'm not sure if it will be possible to ship stuff like that to
another country.  Debian has pretty much no marketing budget.

So I hope this helps!  You can see a list of Debian mailing lists
here:

https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe

and here is the list of mailing lists with "events" in the name:

debian-events-eu     europe
debian-events-ha     hispanic america
debian-events-na     north america
debian-events-nl     netherlands

I see also the lists with "dug" in the name (Debian user group,
maybe) help to coordinate events in their regions:

debian-dug-by        Belarus
debian-dug-ie        ireland
debian-dug-in        india
debian-dug-mx        mexico
debian-dug-quebec    quebec

You can also connect with the #debian irc chat on oftc.  It would
be closer to the kind of communications that Debian users are
accustomed to.  See https://www.debian.org/support and search for
"On-line Real Time Help Using IRC" for more info.

However, that channel is not really for social chitchat or general
introductions.  It is more for solving specific problems that you
might run into while installing or using Debian.  You can get
almost-real-time help from there.  So it might be useful while your
students are actually doing their install.


Does anyone else have anything to add?


So I hope I haven't misrepresented Debian ... I have copied this
email to debian-events-na where I know there are some people
who might respond.

bjb




--

Regards,
Yehuda Korotkin


web www.korotkin.co.il

mobile +972 (50) 414-6444

email [hidden email]



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Re: Debian Women Introduction

Kevin Mark-6
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 07:34:32PM +0300, Yehuda Korotkin wrote:

>    Hello Brenda J. Butler,
>    Thanks for the detailed email ! :-)
>    >> young people today (everywhere), are just not interested in typing to write
>    programs or communicate.
>    -- Scary to imagine where this could lead ...
>    We (all of us) can initiate process that will motivate contribution to community
>    from schools. 
>    What the difference between contributing a code and volunteer some-where? 
>    Some people can volunteer, some people can write brilliant things (See value "Linus
>    Torvalds", can anyone say that it be better to him volunteer gardening instead of
>    writing code?)
>    >> So I hope this helps!  
>    Course it helped a lot! Lots and lots of thanks!
>    Soon I will send email to groups specified. 
>    Thanks a lot!

Each act of volunteering contributes to the people and task and to your own self-education.
-K


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