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Fernando Arenas
First my sincere congratulations to the entire team that works every day to improve this wonderful operating system.
The reason for writing to you is to have found in a package called openclipart2 clipsarts clearly sexist content in which women are presented as sex objects. So I ask you to withdraw these images and improve its protocols for such content is not put back into their servers.
I hate that my children may find these images when they perform their work for the school.
Only in Spain during 2015 male violence he has killed 62 women. Do not you contribute to promoting ideas about women favoring these behaviors.

greetings from
Fernando Arenas

https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/openclipart2-png/filelist
https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/openclipart2-png/filelist

**************************************************************************

En primer lugar mi mas sincera felicitación al todo el equipo que cada día trabaja para mejorar este magnifico sistema operativo.
El motivo de dirigirme a ustedes es por haber encontrado en el paquete openclipart2 unos clipsarts de contenido claramente machista en los que se presenta a la mujer como objeto sexual. Por lo que quiero pedirles que retiren estas imágenes y que mejoren sus protocolos para que contenidos de este tipo no se vuelvan a incluir en sus servidores.
No es agradable comprobar que mis hijos pueden encontrar estas imágenes cuando realizan su trabajo para el colegio.
Solo en España durante 2015 la violencia machista ha asesinado a 62 mujeres. No contribuyan ustedes a fomentar ideas sobre la mujer que favorecen estos comportamientos.

Saludos
Fernando Arenas

https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/openclipart2-png/filelist
https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/openclipart2-png/filelist

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/usr/share/openclipart2/png/juanmontoya/juanmontoya_lingerie_(see_png).png

/usr/share/openclipart2/png/kaeso/kaeso_Girls_rule_.png
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/usr/share/openclipart2/png/dodom01/dodom01_women_from_above.png

/usr/share/openclipart2/png/gopher/gopher_Pink_anime_girl_(beta_).png

/usr/share/openclipart2/png/molumen/molumen_Naked_girl.png
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/usr/share/openclipart2/png/momoko/momoko_Silhouette_of_Stripper_on_a_Pole.png


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Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

Jerome BENOIT-7
Hello Fernando:

I am not sure that the debian-user forum is the best place for your message:
what I mean is that you may want to target better. The debian-user forum is meant
for end users who are not responsible for the content of the packages.

First, you may want to make a bugreport for the package asking to drop off these images
or to at least put them in a separate package with an explicit name (or something).
Second, you may address the issue to the debian-policy forum.

hth,
Jerome


On 31/12/15 12:15, Fernando Arenas wrote:

> First my sincere congratulations to the entire team that works every day to improve this wonderful operating system.
> The reason for writing to you is to have found in a package called openclipart2 clipsarts clearly sexist content in which women are presented as sex objects. So I ask you to withdraw these images and improve its protocols for such content is not put back into their servers.
> I hate that my children may find these images when they perform their work for the school.
> Only in Spain during 2015 male violence he has killed 62 women. Do not you contribute to promoting ideas about women favoring these behaviors.
>
> greetings from
> Fernando Arenas
>
> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/openclipart2-png/filelist
> https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/openclipart2-png/filelist
>
> **************************************************************************
>
> En primer lugar mi mas sincera felicitación al todo el equipo que cada día trabaja para mejorar este magnifico sistema operativo.
> El motivo de dirigirme a ustedes es por haber encontrado en el paquete openclipart2 unos clipsarts de contenido claramente machista en los que se presenta a la mujer como objeto sexual. Por lo que quiero pedirles que retiren estas imágenes y que mejoren sus protocolos para que contenidos de este tipo no se vuelvan a incluir en sus servidores.
> No es agradable comprobar que mis hijos pueden encontrar estas imágenes cuando realizan su trabajo para el colegio.
> Solo en España durante 2015 la violencia machista ha asesinado a 62 mujeres. No contribuyan ustedes a fomentar ideas sobre la mujer que favorecen estos comportamientos.
>
> Saludos
> Fernando Arenas
>
> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/openclipart2-png/filelist
> https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/openclipart2-png/filelist
>
> **********************************************************************
> **********************************************************************
>
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/gustavorezende/gustavorezende_Woman.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/gustavorezende/gustavorezende_Woman_10.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/gustavorezende/gustavorezende_Woman_11.png
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> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/gustavorezende/gustavorezende_Woman_2.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/gustavorezende/gustavorezende_Woman_20.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/gustavorezende/gustavorezende_Woman_3.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/gustavorezende/gustavorezende_Woman_4.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/gustavorezende/gustavorezende_Woman_5.png
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> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/gustavorezende/gustavorezende_Woman_7.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/gustavorezende/gustavorezende_Woman_8.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/gustavorezende/gustavorezende_Woman_9.png
>
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/grimgiant/grimgiant_nude_woman.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/grimgiant/grimgiant_nude_woman_on_bed.png
>
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/juanmontoya/juanmontoya_lingerie_(see_png).png
>
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/kaeso/kaeso_Girls_rule_.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/kaeso/kaeso_Toilet_sign.png
>
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/dodom01/dodom01_women_from_above.png
>
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/gopher/gopher_Pink_anime_girl_(beta_).png
>
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/molumen/molumen_Naked_girl.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/molumen/molumen_Naked_girl_1.png
>
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/momoko/momoko_Silhouette_of_Stripper_on_a_Pole.png
>
>
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/nicubunu/nicubunu_Woman_Silhouette_01.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/nicubunu/nicubunu_Woman_Silhouette_02.png
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> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/nicubunu/nicubunu_Woman_Silhouette_52.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/nicubunu/nicubunu_Woman_Silhouette_53.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/nicubunu/nicubunu_Woman_Silhouette_54.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/nicubunu/nicubunu_Woman_Silhouette_6.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/nicubunu/nicubunu_Woman_Silhouette_64.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/nicubunu/nicubunu_Woman_Silhouette_7.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/nicubunu/nicubunu_Woman_Silhouette_8.png
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/nicubunu/nicubunu_Woman_Silhouette_9.png
>
> /usr/share/openclipart2/png/Romanov/Romanov_Lady_stripper.png
>
>

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Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

deloptes
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Fernando Arenas wrote:

> openclipart2

so which one is bugging you?

You have to file bug report - or request for change against openclipart2
maintainer.

Also I'm not sure what you've seen - I did not find anything disturbing - at
least nothing that the kids won't see on their way to school, or having a
computer in their hands - your request makes me smile.

Are you trolling on political correctness?

regards

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Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
In reply to this post by Fernando Arenas
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 12:15:01 +0100
Fernando Arenas <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The reason for writing to you is to have found in a package called
> openclipart2 clipsarts clearly sexist content in which women are presented
> as sex objects.

Thank you for the pointer, I'll install the package immediately, and enjoy a look at those pictures...
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
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Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

Thomas Schmitt
In reply to this post by Fernando Arenas
Hi,

Fernando Arenas wrote:
> have found in a package called
> openclipart2 clipsarts clearly sexist content in which women are presented
> as sex objects.

I had a look at
  https://sources.debian.net/src/openclipart2/2.0%2Bdfsg-1/clipart/

Some of the images in your list are moderate male fantasy stereotypes
but many of your complaints are about images which i'd expect in
fashion magazines for women.


> Only in Spain during 2015 male violence he has killed 62 women.

The violent male is indeed a problem everywhere in the world.
Protecting those who are peaceful is an obligation to everybody.

Nevertheless i cannot make a connection between the images
and violence or sexual offenses.


As for flesh:
Don't download whimsy clipart. Google for the real stuff.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Goya#Mid_period_.281793-1799.29
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Alma-Tadema#Move_to_England
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Boucher#Gallery
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandro_Botticelli
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egon_Schiele#Figurative_works


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

Martin Read-2
In reply to this post by deloptes
On 31/12/15 12:21, deloptes wrote:
> Fernando Arenas wrote:
>
>> openclipart2
>
> so which one is bugging you?

There's a list at the end of the OP.

I don't agree that any of the images on that list need to be removed
from Debian for the reasons stated by the OP (I can't comment on whether
they constitute policy violations for other reasons such as non-free
licences or unclear copyright status), but for most of the images on
that list I can certainly imagine a reasonable person concluding that
their inclusion in Debian is problematic, and I wouldn't encourage most
of them to be added to Debian if they weren't already there.

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Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

David Baron
In reply to this post by Thomas Schmitt
My two cents (not worth very much nowadays, I am afraid):

I have not looked at the collections but like others, there simply have to be
some girlie stuff, scantily clad beauties, ripped men, etc. I suppose these
have place in clipart collections, someone might make use of them and not
necessarily in harmful ways.

I would like to see all the sexist and sexy stuff de-emphasized.

I am more concerned about the ad-pictures that will adorn our technical sites
(and I have complained about some of it). I am also concerned about the
prevalence of foul language in a professional forum.

I think we can do better.

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Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

Ric Moore
In reply to this post by Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On 12/31/2015 07:31 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:

> Thank you for the pointer, I'll install the package immediately, and
> enjoy a look at those pictures...
I'm on it too.
:0 Ric



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Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

Javier Barroso-3
In reply to this post by Fernando Arenas
Hello,

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Fernando Arenas <[hidden email]> wrote:

> First my sincere congratulations to the entire team that works every day to
> improve this wonderful operating system.
> The reason for writing to you is to have found in a package called
> openclipart2 clipsarts clearly sexist content in which women are presented
> as sex objects. So I ask you to withdraw these images and improve its
> protocols for such content is not put back into their servers.
> I hate that my children may find these images when they perform their work
> for the school.
> Only in Spain during 2015 male violence he has killed 62 women. Do not you
> contribute to promoting ideas about women favoring these behaviors.
>
> greetings from
> Fernando Arenas
>
> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/openclipart2-png/filelist
> https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/openclipart2-png/filelist

As workaround, you can create a dpkg config file on
/etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/ (maybe called openclipart2-exclusions)  with:

path-exclude /usr/share/openclipart2/png/gustavorezende/gustavorezende_Wom*
path-exclude /usr/share/openclipart2/png/....

Then do apt-get --reinstall install openclipart2  , and files listed
there should not be installed

Regards

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Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

John Hasler-3
Javier Barroso writes:
> As workaround, you can create a dpkg config file on
> /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/ (maybe called openclipart2-exclusions)  with:

> path-exclude /usr/share/openclipart2/png/gustavorezende/gustavorezende_Wom*
> path-exclude /usr/share/openclipart2/png/....

> Then do apt-get --reinstall install openclipart2 , and files listed
> there should not be installed

But that does not achieve the OP's goal, which is to prevent anyone from
installing those files.

Perhaps the OP should create openclipart2forprudes and try to get it
packaged.
--
John Hasler
[hidden email]
Elmwood, WI USA

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Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

John L. Ries
I was going to respond to the original post privately, as my thoughts are
off topic, but at this point, I think I need to do it publicly.

While pornography and its attendant portrayal of women, children, and even
men as sex objects encourage all manner of perverse behaviors, I don't
that think non-sexual abuse of women by men is one of them (it's not like
readers of "Playgirl" are thought to be more inclined to commit violence
against men than others).  Rather, the latter appears to be more related
to cultural attitudes that glorify bullying and physical punishment of
perceived slights as "manly", and despise appeals to reason and compassion
as weak and effeminate; combined with a general contempt for women
(beautiful or not) as weaklings and inferiors.  Thus, while removing
sexually provacative pictures from collections of clip art *might*
discourage perverse sexual behavior to a very modest extent, it is
unlikely to reduce the number of wife-beaters.  Treating the latter and
other bullies as the common criminals they are, and ceasing to make
excuses for them (together with teaching boys from a young age to respect
girls and women and protect them from violence) would do a lot more.

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On Thu, 31 Dec 2015, John Hasler wrote:

> Javier Barroso writes:
>> As workaround, you can create a dpkg config file on
>> /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/ (maybe called openclipart2-exclusions)  with:
>
>> path-exclude /usr/share/openclipart2/png/gustavorezende/gustavorezende_Wom*
>> path-exclude /usr/share/openclipart2/png/....
>
>> Then do apt-get --reinstall install openclipart2 , and files listed
>> there should not be installed
>
> But that does not achieve the OP's goal, which is to prevent anyone from
> installing those files.
>
> Perhaps the OP should create openclipart2forprudes and try to get it
> packaged.
> --
> John Hasler
> [hidden email]
> Elmwood, WI USA
>
>

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Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

Gary Dale
In reply to this post by Fernando Arenas
On 31/12/15 06:15 AM, Fernando Arenas wrote:

> First my sincere congratulations to the entire team that works every
> day to improve this wonderful operating system.
> The reason for writing to you is to have found in a package called
> openclipart2 clipsarts clearly sexist content in which women are
> presented as sex objects. So I ask you to withdraw these images and
> improve its protocols for such content is not put back into their servers.
> I hate that my children may find these images when they perform their
> work for the school.
> Only in Spain during 2015 male violence he has killed 62 women. Do not
> you contribute to promoting ideas about women favoring these behaviors.
>
> greetings from
> Fernando Arenas
>
> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/openclipart2-png/filelist
> https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/openclipart2-png/filelist

I will note that the package is not available for Jessie or Stretch
except as a download from Sid.I gather the package maintainer has a
problem with it too. Perhaps the openclipart packages should be divided
into categories which would allow for more targeted downloads. People
looking for animal clipart, for example, may not want furniture clipart
installed as well. This would allow for "sexy-female" and "sexy-male"
packages that aren't installed except by explicit request.

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Gary Dale
On 31/12/15 03:10 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

> On 31/12/15 06:15 AM, Fernando Arenas wrote:
>> First my sincere congratulations to the entire team that works every
>> day to improve this wonderful operating system.
>> The reason for writing to you is to have found in a package called
>> openclipart2 clipsarts clearly sexist content in which women are
>> presented as sex objects. So I ask you to withdraw these images and
>> improve its protocols for such content is not put back into their
>> servers.
>> I hate that my children may find these images when they perform their
>> work for the school.
>> Only in Spain during 2015 male violence he has killed 62 women. Do
>> not you contribute to promoting ideas about women favoring these
>> behaviors.
>>
>> greetings from
>> Fernando Arenas
>>
>> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/openclipart2-png/filelist
>> https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/openclipart2-png/filelist
>
> I will note that the package is not available for Jessie or Stretch
> except as a download from Sid.I gather the package maintainer has a
> problem with it too. Perhaps the openclipart packages should be
> divided into categories which would allow for more targeted downloads.
> People looking for animal clipart, for example, may not want furniture
> clipart installed as well. This would allow for "sexy-female" and
> "sexy-male" packages that aren't installed except by explicit request.
>
My apologies for the above comment. Up until reading Fernando's post, I
wasn't aware of openclipart2. I note that it is substantially larger
than openclipart and is organized by contributor, not by topic.
Following my suggestion would be hugely time consuming and achieve very
little.

Looking at the images that were identified, I find little justification
in the original complaint. One can easily accidentally stumble across
far more provocative content on Facebook.

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Joel Rees-3
Just for the record, in case the package maintainer or policy group
look at this thread hoping for representative opinions:

On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 5:31 AM, Gary Dale <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 31/12/15 03:10 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
>>
>> On 31/12/15 06:15 AM, Fernando Arenas wrote:
>>>
>>> First my sincere congratulations to the entire team that works every day
>>> to improve this wonderful operating system.
>>> The reason for writing to you is to have found in a package called
>>> openclipart2 clipsarts clearly sexist content in which women are presented
>>> as sex objects. So I ask you to withdraw these images and improve its
>>> protocols for such content is not put back into their servers.
>>> I hate that my children may find these images when they perform their
>>> work for the school.
>>> Only in Spain during 2015 male violence he has killed 62 women. Do not
>>> you contribute to promoting ideas about women favoring these behaviors.
>>>
>>> greetings from
>>> Fernando Arenas
>>>
>>> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/openclipart2-png/filelist
>>> https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/openclipart2-png/filelist
>>
>>
>> I will note that the package is not available for Jessie or Stretch except
>> as a download from Sid.I gather the package maintainer has a problem with it
>> too. Perhaps the openclipart packages should be divided into categories
>> which would allow for more targeted downloads. People looking for animal
>> clipart, for example, may not want furniture clipart installed as well. This
>> would allow for "sexy-female" and "sexy-male" packages that aren't installed
>> except by explicit request.
>>
> My apologies for the above comment. Up until reading Fernando's post, I
> wasn't aware of openclipart2.

I personally see no reason for you to apologize for your suggestion.

It would take a bit of work, but non-programmers who want to help
could do a few at a time and it would help make openclipart2 more
useful for everyone.

One volunteer by him/herself would get worn out, yes, and I wouldn't
ask the package maintainer to categorize the whole list without help.

> I note that it is substantially larger than
> openclipart and is organized by contributor, not by topic.

And that makes it less useful than it would b if organized by topic.

It would have been nice if we had the contributors' opinions about the
categorization as a starting point, too, if I were making wishes.

> Following my
> suggestion would be hugely time consuming and achieve very little.

Strongly disagree. Clipart is only useful when you can find what you
are looking for.

> Looking at the images that were identified, I find little justification in
> the original complaint. One can easily accidentally stumble across far more
> provocative content on Facebook.
>

The comment on facebook aside, I looked at the first twenty or so
images in the list, and I agree that the general point of view is very
much one that treats people as objects. I would not want my children
finding those when looking for clipart.

In my opinion, a complaint is justified here. Those should be sorted
out into a separate package, at minimum.

--
Joel Rees

Ranting is free.
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Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

Ric Moore
On 01/01/2016 04:47 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
  I looked at the first twenty or so
> images in the list, and I agree that the general point of view is very
> much one that treats people as objects. I would not want my children
> finding those when looking for clipart.
>
> In my opinion, a complaint is justified here. Those should be sorted
> out into a separate package, at minimum.

I looked at the first 100 and found nothing meriting censorship. Ric


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peter-17
I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship?

Sent from my android device.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ric Moore <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Fri, 01 Jan 2016 11:21
Subject: Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

On 01/01/2016 04:47 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
  I looked at the first twenty or so
> images in the list, and I agree that the general point of view is very
> much one that treats people as objects. I would not want my children
> finding those when looking for clipart.
>
> In my opinion, a complaint is justified here. Those should be sorted
> out into a separate package, at minimum.

I looked at the first 100 and found nothing meriting censorship. Ric


--
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"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
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John Hasler-3
peter write:
> I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship?

Political incorrectness.
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Terence-3
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Peter,

You shouldn't be confused: there will always be people of limited intelligence and understanding who will find offence in any statement, picture, opinion or attitude that does not conform to their severely restricted mind-set.

There is nothing to be found on the internet that transcends the barbarity of certain groups that rape , murder, mutilate and gloat over their actions, and post their obscene videos to the world, to compare with the images that are  complained about here.

Perhaps certain people need a reality check, and  professional reorientation help to rejoin the real world.

Wishing you a happy new year, but doubting it will be, given the human obstacles to progress,

Saki

On 1 January 2016 at 16:23, <[hidden email]> wrote:
I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship?

Sent from my android device.


-----Original Message-----
From: Ric Moore <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Fri, 01 Jan 2016 11:21
Subject: Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

On 01/01/2016 04:47 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
  I looked at the first twenty or so
> images in the list, and I agree that the general point of view is very
> much one that treats people as objects. I would not want my children
> finding those when looking for clipart.
>
> In my opinion, a complaint is justified here. Those should be sorted
> out into a separate package, at minimum.

I looked at the first 100 and found nothing meriting censorship. Ric


--
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
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Thomas Schmitt
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Hi,

[hidden email] wrote:
> I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship?

Article 5 Grundgesetz (that's our local constitition) says:
"No censorship happens."

Therefore it is forbidden to say that censorship happens.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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Ric Moore
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On 01/01/2016 11:23 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
> I'm confused what specifically is meriting censorship?

I'm not seeing any full frontal nudity. Ric

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