will Release come back for testing/updates at security.debian.org?

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will Release come back for testing/updates at security.debian.org?

songbird
  with the change to testing the past day the error message pops up:

E: The repository 'http://security.debian.org/debian-security testing/updates Release' no longer has a Release file.

  is this a temporary glitch or a permanent change?

  thanks!


  songbird

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Re: will Release come back for testing/updates at security.debian.org?

Dan Purgert
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songbird wrote:
>   with the change to testing the past day the error message pops up:
>
> E: The repository 'http://security.debian.org/debian-security
> testing/updates Release' no longer has a Release file.
>
>   is this a temporary glitch or a permanent change?

Given that Buster (formerly testing) moved to stable on July 6th, its
probably temporary until Bullseye picks up some security patches.


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Re: will Release come back for testing/updates at security.debian.org?

songbird
Dan Purgert wrote:

> songbird wrote:
>>   with the change to testing the past day the error message pops up:
>>
>> E: The repository 'http://security.debian.org/debian-security
>> testing/updates Release' no longer has a Release file.
>>
>>   is this a temporary glitch or a permanent change?
>
> Given that Buster (formerly testing) moved to stable on July 6th, its
> probably temporary until Bullseye picks up some security patches.

  that's what i was hoping...  :)


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Re: will Release come back for testing/updates at security.debian.org?

Salvatore Bonaccorso-4
Hi,

On Sun, Jul 07, 2019 at 09:06:29AM -0400, songbird wrote:

> Dan Purgert wrote:
> > songbird wrote:
> >>   with the change to testing the past day the error message pops up:
> >>
> >> E: The repository 'http://security.debian.org/debian-security
> >> testing/updates Release' no longer has a Release file.
> >>
> >>   is this a temporary glitch or a permanent change?
> >
> > Given that Buster (formerly testing) moved to stable on July 6th, its
> > probably temporary until Bullseye picks up some security patches.
>
>   that's what i was hoping...  :)

That will be actually a permanent change, see
https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2019/06/msg00015.html . The
intention was actually do to it already in earlier cycle, but was not
possible (cf.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2015/12/msg00015.html).

Hope this helps,

Regards,
Salvatore

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Re: will Release come back for testing/updates at security.debian.org?

Dave Sherohman-3
On Sun, Jul 07, 2019 at 03:22:40PM +0200, Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote:
> That will be actually a permanent change, see
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2019/06/msg00015.html . The
> intention was actually do to it already in earlier cycle, but was not
> possible (cf.
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2015/12/msg00015.html).

What was the intended method for people upgrading from pre-buster
versions to find out about this change?  Just wait for them to try to do
an update, get an error message, and hope that they ask on the mailing
list instead of just commenting out the security updates line?

Perhaps an announcement on debian-security-announce (and perhaps also on
debian-user) would be in order?  Ideally one with a "PAY ATTENTION! THIS
IS IMPORTANT!"-type subject line to minimize the chance of people
missing it.

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Re: will Release come back for testing/updates at security.debian.org?

andreimpopescu
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On Du, 07 iul 19, 08:23:59, songbird wrote:
>   with the change to testing the past day the error message pops up:
>
> E: The repository 'http://security.debian.org/debian-security testing/updates Release' no longer has a Release file.

Not sure why you even have 'security' for testing in your sources.list
as all security updates migrate from unstable.

https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing

Kind regards,
Andrei
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andreimpopescu
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On Lu, 08 iul 19, 03:10:53, Dave Sherohman wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 07, 2019 at 03:22:40PM +0200, Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote:
> > That will be actually a permanent change, see
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2019/06/msg00015.html . The
> > intention was actually do to it already in earlier cycle, but was not
> > possible (cf.
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2015/12/msg00015.html).
>
> What was the intended method for people upgrading from pre-buster
> versions to find out about this change?  Just wait for them to try to do
> an update, get an error message, and hope that they ask on the mailing
> list instead of just commenting out the security updates line?
 
Testing users are supposed to be able to handle such breakage.

When bullseye becomes stable this will most likely be documented in the
Release Notes.

> Perhaps an announcement on debian-security-announce (and perhaps also on
> debian-user) would be in order?  Ideally one with a "PAY ATTENTION! THIS
> IS IMPORTANT!"-type subject line to minimize the chance of people
> missing it.

In my understanding debian-security-announce is only for stable security
updates. There is a debian-testing-security-announce list, last post in
Feb.2011:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing-security-announce/2011/02/msg00003.html

Apparently all security updates since have been handled via unstable.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: will Release come back for testing/updates at security.debian.org?

Dave Sherohman-3
On Mon, Jul 08, 2019 at 11:54:01AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Lu, 08 iul 19, 03:10:53, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 07, 2019 at 03:22:40PM +0200, Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote:
> > > That will be actually a permanent change, see
> > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2019/06/msg00015.html . The
> > > intention was actually do to it already in earlier cycle, but was not
> > > possible (cf.
> > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2015/12/msg00015.html).
> >
> > What was the intended method for people upgrading from pre-buster
> > versions to find out about this change?  Just wait for them to try to do
> > an update, get an error message, and hope that they ask on the mailing
> > list instead of just commenting out the security updates line?
>  
> Testing users are supposed to be able to handle such breakage.
>
> When bullseye becomes stable this will most likely be documented in the
> Release Notes.

Ah, ok, thanks.  I guess I wasn't following the thread properly and I
was thinking this change was happening in buster, not bullseye.  My
mistake; sorry about that.

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Re: will Release come back for testing/updates at security.debian.org?

songbird
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Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Du, 07 iul 19, 08:23:59, songbird wrote:
>>   with the change to testing the past day the error message pops up:
>>=20
>> E: The repository 'http://security.debian.org/debian-security testing/upd=
> ates Release' no longer has a Release file.
>
> Not sure why you even have 'security' for testing in your sources.list=20
> as all security updates migrate from unstable.
>
> https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing

  i'm sure it is there because at some point someone said
to pick up security updates to testing that way.  i don't
normally follow a lot of packages in unstable or stable.

  if i understand the information on that page correctly
it implies that security updates come via unstable but
what about those done by the security team for packages
in testing and during freezes?  just in case someone
does poke something to that repository in testing i'd
like to pick it up when it happens.

  if it never happens then that repository should be
removed IMO.


  songbird